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发表于 2013-3-13 10:40:44 | 显示全部楼层
戈尔巴乔夫是个大窃贼,遗憾的是,苏联被拆解的时候,他自己有没啥屁本事,
结果官僚们把国企都分光了,也轮不到他来喝汤,最终是为他人做嫁衣裳。
戈尔巴乔夫瓦解了一个国家。
盛光祖瓦解了一个部门。
都是带任务的,所以,殊途同归。
发表于 2013-3-13 11:55:46 | 显示全部楼层
中铁集团 发表于 2013-3-13 10:40
戈尔巴乔夫是个大窃贼,遗憾的是,苏联被拆解的时候,他自己有没啥屁本事,
结果官僚们把国企都分光了,也 ...

戈尔巴乔夫在苏联历史上是有积极作用的人物,至少他让东欧人民有了自由选择道路的权利,让苏联人民获得了更大的*民*主*
发表于 2013-3-13 12:06:31 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
这是个钓鱼贴啊
发表于 2013-3-13 12:17:34 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 中铁集团 于 2013-3-13 12:19 编辑
珠穆朗玛 发表于 2013-3-13 11:55
戈尔巴乔夫在苏联历史上是有积极作用的人物,至少他让东欧人民有了自由选择道路的权利,让苏联人民获得了 ...


所谓的自由选择显然是一个赤裸裸的欺骗而已。
东欧人民被选择,被那些变质的垄断官僚选择而已
,所谓的民猪也只是那些官僚的民猪而已,百姓只是
做个陪衬,被当成了忽悠工具。


1991年3月17日苏联唯一一次全民公1991年3月17日苏联全民公投70%以上的人要求保留苏联投70%以上的人要求保留苏联而不是解体苏联
(不过要注意这个公投主要是就是否分裂苏联而进行的而不是要不要保留苏联苏维埃制度,这个制度即工人阶级民主制早没有了,也不是要不要保留苏联公有制计划经济和官僚主义而进行的,所以这个公投结果只是表明反对苏联加盟共和国的分离而解体苏联而不是反对其他。或者说这公投不能反映苏联人是否支持所谓的社会主义制度或是否支持公有制计划经济或者是否支持官僚主义等等问题)我这样提的目的是说明,这个公投不是如某些人说的苏联人70%维护苏联制度(这个我们不能通过这个公投知道),我们只能通过这个公投知道70%的苏联人希望各加盟共和国作为一个整体存在。

70% 通过了保留苏联
苏联的解体完全是官僚阶层为了转换为真正的资本家而进行的恶意的反民主行为
Soviet Union referendum, 1991
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Voting bulletin
A referendum on the future of the Soviet Union was held on 17 March 1991. The question put to voters was

Do you consider necessary the preservation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics in which the rights and freedom of an individual of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?[1]

In Kazakhstan the wording of the referendum was changed by substituting "equal sovereign states" for "equal sovereign republics."[2]

Although the vote was boycotted by the authorities in Armenia, Estonia, Georgia (though not the breakaway province of Abkhazia, where the result was over 98% in favour,[3] and in South Ossetia),[4] Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova (though not Transnistria or Gagauzia),[5] turnout was 80% across the USSR.[2] The referendum was approved by at least 70% of voters in all nine other republics that took part. It was the first, and only, referendum in the history of the Soviet Union, which was dissolved on 26 December 1991.

Contents

1 Result

1.1 In participating republics

1.2 In republics not participating to the Soviet referendums

2 Additional questions

2.1 Kyrgyz SSR

2.2 Ukrainian SSR

2.3 Uzbek SSR

3 See also

4 References

Result
Choice  Votes  %  
For 113,512,812 77.8
Against 32,303,977 22.2
Invalid/blank votes 2,757,817 –
Total 148,574,606 100
Registered voters/turnout 185,647,355 80.0
Source: Nohlen & Stöver[6]

In participating republics
Republic  For  Against  Invalid
votes  Total
votes  Registered
voters  Turnout  
Votes  %  Votes  %  
Republic of Azerbaijan 2,709,246 94.12 169,225 5.88 25,326 2,903,797 3,866,659 75.10
Byelorussian SSR 5,069,313 83.72 986,079 16.28 71,591 6,126,983 7,354,796 83.31
Kazakh SSR 8,295,519 95.00 436,560 5.00 84,464 8,816,543 9,999,433 88.17
Kirghiz SSR 2,057,971 95.98 86,246 4.02 30,377 2,174,593 2,341,646 92.87
Russian SFSR 56,860,783 73.00 21,030,753 27.00 1,809,633 79,701,169 105,643,364 75.44
Tajik SSR 2,315,755 96.85 75,300 3.15 16,497 2,407,552 2,549,096 94.45
Turkmen SSR 1,766,584 98.26 31,203 1.74 6,531 1,804,310 1,846,310 97.66
Ukrainian SSR 22,110,899 71.48 8,820,089 28.52 583,256 31,514,244 37,732,178 83.52
Uzbek SSR 9,196,848 94.73 511,373 5.27 108,112 9,816,333 10,287,938 95.42
Source: Direct Democracy

A boycott campaign reduced the Against votes in Western Ukraine.[7]

In republics not participating to the Soviet referendums
First, it must be noted an official referendum had been held in Estonia on 3 March 1991 whether to re-establish the Estonian republic that had been occupied by the Soviet Union in 1940. The result was 77.8% in favour of re-establishing the Estonian republic.[8]Also Latvia held an official referendum on 3 March 1991 where the overwhelming majority voted to re-establish the independent Latvian republic.[9]

Consequently, in these republics pro-Soviet front-organisations organised voluntary referendums without official sanction.[10][11] Turnout of voting here was considerably less than 50% of the franchised voters of these countries, but this information was not included in the official statement of the Central Commission of the Referendum of USSR.[12]

Republic  For  Against  Invalid
votes  Total
votes  Registered
voters  Turnout  
Votes  %  Votes  %  
Republic of Armenia 2,541 72.46 966 27.54 42 3,549 4,923 72.09
Republic of Georgia[13] 43,950 99.98 9 0.02 53 44,012 45,696 96.31
Republic of Estonia 211,090 95.46 10,040 4.54 1,110 222,240 299,681 74.16
Republic of Latvia 415,147 95.84 18,015 4.16 3,621 436,783 670,828 65.11
Republic of Lithuania 496,050 99.13 4,355 0.87 970 436,783 582,262 86.11
SSR Moldova 688,905 98.72 8,916 1.28 3,072 700,893 841,507 83.29
Source: Direct Democracy

Additional questions
In several of the republics, additional questions were added to the ballot. In Russia, an additional question was asked on whether elective post of the president of the Russian SFSR should be created. In Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine and Uzbekistan the additional question was on the sovereignty of their republics as part of a new union.[2]

Kyrgyz SSR
In the Kyrgyz SSR, voters were also asked "Do you agree that the Republic of Kyrgyzstan should be in the renewed Union as a sovereign republic with equal rights?" It was approved by 62.2% of voters, although turnout was only 81.7%, compared to 92.9% in the Union-wide referendum.[14]

Choice  Votes  %  
For
62.2
Against
37.8
Invalid/blank votes

Total
100
Source: Nohlen et al.

Ukrainian SSR
In the Ukrainian SSR, voters were also asked "Do you  agree that Ukraine should be part of a Union of Soviet sovereign states on the basis on the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine?"[15] The proposal was approved by 81.7% of voters.[15]

Choice  Votes  %  
For 25,224,687 81.7
Against 5,655,701 18.3
Invalid/blank votes 584,703 –
Total 31,465,091 100
Registered voters/turnout 37,689,767 83.5
Source: Nohlen & Stöver

Uzbek SSR
In the Uzbek SSR, voters were also asked "Do you agree that Uzbekistan should remain part of a renewed Union (federation) as a sovereign republic with equal rights?" It was approved by 94.9% of voters, with a turnout of 95.5%.[1]

Choice  Votes  %  
For
94.9
Against
5.1
Invalid/blank votes
1.1
Total 9,824,304 100
Source: Nohlen et al.





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发表于 2013-3-13 12:34:22 | 显示全部楼层
中铁集团 发表于 2013-3-13 10:40
戈尔巴乔夫是个大窃贼,遗憾的是,苏联被拆解的时候,他自己有没啥屁本事,
结果官僚们把国企都分光了,也 ...

苏联是被自己弄解体的,没有戈尔巴乔夫,苏联还是会解体的。铁道部撤掉也是必然的事
发表于 2013-3-13 12:41:38 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 中铁集团 于 2013-3-13 12:42 编辑
浙C0577 发表于 2013-3-13 12:34
苏联是被自己弄解体的,没有戈尔巴乔夫,苏联还是会解体的。铁道部撤掉也是必然的事


说得不错,当赫鲁晓夫上台后,就预示着苏联未来的命运了,背叛者一幕幕的倒行逆施的恶行最终又通过垄断媒体话语权而栽赃到布尔什维克党头上,这些穿着布尔什维克马甲的假布尔什维克的终极目的最终还是达到了,民众选择被代表了。
当然,铁路资产那是最后一块肥肉了,分肉吃,对于阿猫阿狗们来说,当然具有必然性喽。
发表于 2013-3-13 12:48:31 | 显示全部楼层
中铁集团 发表于 2013-3-13 12:41
说得不错,当赫鲁晓夫上台后,就预示着苏联未来的命运了,背叛者一幕幕的倒行逆施的恶行最终又通过垄断 ...

布尔什维克的罪恶自列宁、斯大林时期已经被建立了
发表于 2013-3-13 13:04:16 | 显示全部楼层
浙C0577 发表于 2013-3-13 12:48
布尔什维克的罪恶自列宁、斯大林时期已经被建立了

真正的布尔什维克本身是为广大人民谋福利的,没有罪恶,有的只是资产阶级及其喽啰们恶毒攻击的所谓“罪恶”。那些背叛真正布尔什维克,穿着马甲的假布尔什维克才是真正的罪恶,然而假布尔什维克控制着舆论和权力,他们会把自己的罪恶说成是布尔什维克的罪恶,呵呵,结果当城头变化大王旗的时候,那些假布尔什维克们一跃就变成了资本大佬。
发表于 2013-3-13 13:13:28 | 显示全部楼层
中铁集团 发表于 2013-3-13 13:04
真正的布尔什维克本身是为广大人民谋福利的,没有罪恶,有的只是资产阶级及其喽啰们恶毒攻击的所谓“罪恶 ...

布尔什维克在俄语中意为“多数派”
发表于 2013-3-13 13:33:44 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
power_pcb 发表于 2013-3-13 10:12  得利益集团心,失人民大众的心。改革就是割全民的肉,送给资本家

切,如果换成刘秃狗你肯定是赞夸有佳,你估计希望把主席给他吧?欲加之罪!
发表于 2013-3-13 13:45:12 | 显示全部楼层
浙C0577 发表于 2013-3-13 13:13
布尔什维克在俄语中意为“多数派”

没错,伪布尔什维克才是少数派,但多数派被少数派代表着。
苏联到俄罗斯就是这样来的。
发表于 2013-3-13 13:55:36 | 显示全部楼层
中铁集团 发表于 2013-3-13 12:41
说得不错,当赫鲁晓夫上台后,就预示着苏联未来的命运了,背叛者一幕幕的倒行逆施的恶行最终又通过垄断 ...

看来邓可能就那个赫鲁小夫的翻版。
发表于 2013-3-13 13:55:47 | 显示全部楼层
中铁集团 发表于 2013-3-13 13:45
没错,伪布尔什维克才是少数派,但多数派被少数派代表着。
苏联到俄罗斯就是这样来的。

你这是在说:中国现在也是伪布尔什维克时代?
发表于 2013-3-13 14:04:16 | 显示全部楼层
浙C0577 发表于 2013-3-13 13:55
你这是在说:中国现在也是伪布尔什维克时代?


呵呵,那可是你说的啊
发表于 2013-3-13 15:17:33 | 显示全部楼层
whuol 发表于 2013-3-12 18:09
你太天真了,你以为降速及撤并是他能决定的了的?

你太天真了!他管理不好,上级领导能怎么办?再把他也撤换?只能越级管具体的事情——降速。这是他的耻辱!
发表于 2013-3-13 19:19:08 | 显示全部楼层
不要黑高阻了,卖国也不是李鸿章的责任。
发表于 2013-3-15 07:35:42 | 显示全部楼层
对高阻总是没有好感。。。综上所述
发表于 2013-3-15 13:56:08 | 显示全部楼层
说实话,他只是个执行者,而不是决策者。
发表于 2013-3-15 16:09:25 | 显示全部楼层
king_du 发表于 2013-3-12 09:10
723他应该负有重要领导责任!

P,那会儿他才上任多久,问题都是跨越留下的!
发表于 2013-3-15 16:10:15 | 显示全部楼层
子青 发表于 2013-3-12 14:54
就是这么一个意思,降速,撤并 基本上 就是把铁道部给卖了

你觉得撤销铁道部是一个部长就能做主的吗?
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