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(翻译印度人的文章)印度铁路VS中国铁路

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发表于 2009-3-9 03:37:19 | |阅读模式
原文地址(要翻墙才能看,不知道wordpress.com惹了谁了):
http://streamlinesupplychain.wor ... us-indian-railways/

All of us have repeatedly heard about the “success” of the Indian Railways under the stewardship of the current railway administration. So much so that the “success” of the Indian Railways has become a fashionable case study in Harvard Business School and the subject of lectures in IIM, Ahmedabad , INSEAD and Harvard Business School.
我们总是反复的听到在印度铁路当局的工作下印度铁路的种种“成功”。印度铁路是如此的“成功”以至于成为哈佛商业学校的时髦课题和印度金属学会、 Ahmedabad、INSEAD和哈佛商业学校的演讲课题。
No doubt the Indian Railways has made progress. But the progress is relative- compared to other government agencies and departments in India– which is not to say much!
毫无疑问印度铁路在进步。但是进步是相对的——用印度部门来比较其他国家的机构——不能说多!
But how does the progress of the Indian Railways compare on a absolute scale?
印度铁路在进步的绝对指标上的比较又如何呢?
To take an objective look at the “success” of the Indian Railways, let us compare the Chinese Railways and Indian Railways. After all, everyone and everyone’s analysts are comparing China and India.
客观的审视印度铁路的“进步”,让我们比较中国铁路和印度铁路,毕竟所有人和所有人的分析在比较中国和印度。
Let us start at the beginning…..
让我们开始。。。
The first Chinese Railway train was operated in 1876, from Shanghai to Woosung (15 miles) nearly a quarter of a century after the first train in India was run in April 1853 between Bori Bunder and Thane (21miles)
中国第一条铁路创建于1876年,上海到吴淞,15英里,比印度第一条铁路Bori Bunder到Thane,21英里1853年4月开始运行,晚了四分之一世纪。
In 1945, China had 27,000 km of rail, of track. In 1947, when India got independence, India had 53596 Route kms of track- thanks to the British! Net, net China had just about ½ the route kilometres of India in the mid- 1940s. And that too for a much larger area.
1945年,中国有27000公里轨道。1947年印度独立时拥有53596运营公里,感谢不列颠!1940年代中期中国只有印度的一半运营公里。
How do they compare today? Chinese Railways today has 78,000 route kilometres, overtaking India sometime in the mid 1990s making only the rail networks in the USA and Russia larger in size. The total track length is 154,600km. By contrast Indian Railways has stagnated at 63,327 route kilometres of network.
今天他们比较起来怎么样?中国铁路有78000运营公里,1990年代中期超越了印度铁路,铁路网仅次于美国和俄国。总轨道长度154600公里,相反的是印度铁路停滞地拥有63327运营公里的网络。
The Indian Railways has suffered from the same neglect and apathy towards creating a solid foundation of infrastructure, as our roads, power, irrigation, airports.

As of 2007, Chinese Railway owned about 578,000 freight wagons, 44,000 coaches and 18,300 locomotives. India had 225000 freight wagons, 45000 passenger coaches and 8300 locomotives.
2007年,中国铁路拥有578000货车车厢,44000客车车厢,18300车头。印度铁路拥有225000货车车厢,45000客车车厢,8300车头。
This vast difference in the number of freight wagons and locomotives explains why Indian railways carries less than a quarter, ~22%, of the freight carried by the Chinese Railways.
巨大的货车车厢和车头的差异解释了为了印度铁路只运送了不到四分之一,中国铁路运送的货物的22%。
In 1950 Indian Railways carried 44 billion freight tonne km, against 39 billion in the case of Chinese Railways.
1950年,印度铁路运松了440亿吨公里,中国是390亿吨公里。
Last year, India moved 750 Million MT of freight last year while China moved 4. 5 times that i.e 3300 Million MT of freight.
去年,印度运送了7.5亿吨货物,中国运动了4.5倍,33亿吨。
On a global basis, China’s rail transport volume is one of the world’s largest, having six percent of the world’s operating railways, and carrying 25 percent of the world’s total railway workload.
全球基础上,中国的运输量是世界上最大的,拥有6%的运营铁路,运送了25%的铁路运力。
China regularly runs heavy-haul freight transportation speed limit to 120 km/h. The highest speed notched up for a freight train, on the Indian Railways is 100 km/h (62 mph) for a 4,700 metric tonne load.
中国运行了重载运输,速度限制是120km/h。印度铁路货车完成了高速,100km/h速度对于4700吨负荷。
The Chinese Railways plans to spend US$ 292 billion ~ 15 lakh crore [ 1lakh = 0.1million = 100000, 1crore = 10million = 10000000] over 10 years. This translates to Rs 1.5lakh crore per year spent on the Chinese Railways for Capital Expenditure. In contrast the Indian Railways spends just a quarter (1/4) of what the Chinese Railways spends. The proposed investment for the 2008-2009 fiscal year is Rs. 37,500 cr, which in itself 21% more than for the previous fiscal year.
未来10年,中国铁路计划花费2920亿刀,15千万十万(印度人对于大数字习惯用十万和千万这样的量)卢比。翻译过来就是中国铁路每年在基本建设上投入1.5千万十万卢比。相反的,印度铁路只有中国铁路的四分之一,提议的2008~09财年预算是37500十万卢比,比上一年提高了21%。
And passengers? Indian railways moved 6.2 billion passengers while China moved 1.4 billion passengers. What is to be noted is that out of the 6.2 billion passengers that Indian railways carried, 1.1 billion are Mumbai suburban passengers which are short lead passengers and can be considered a different subsidiary.
客运量?印度铁路运送了62亿人次,中国铁路运送了14亿人次。请注意,在印度铁路运送到62亿人次中,短途孟买市郊铁路就运送了11亿人次,可以认为是附带的差异。
However the quality of passenger travel in the Chinese Railway is far superior. Chinese has express trains with speeds of 300kms/hr. Maximum speed of a passenger train in India is about half of the Chinese Railways at 160kms/ hr. The pictures of the Chinese High-Speed Railway (CHR) will give you an idea of the qualitative difference in passenger rail travel between China and India.

The Chinese Railways depended on steam locomotives till the 21st century while India phased out their steam locomotives ahead of the Chinese in 1990s. In December 2005, the world’s last regular revenue mainline steam train finished its journey on the Jitong Railway marking the end of steam era. Nevertheless, there are still some steam locomotives used in the industrial railways in China.

The Chinese Railways are organized in a more modern and business-like manner. Five major railway corporations — one each for rolling stock, railway construction, goods and materials, civil engineering, signalling and telecommunications — have been separated from transport enterprises and made autonomous, although state-owned. A number of passenger and freight transport companies have been created to operate on a competitive basis. These enterprises will finally be regrouped into three to five larger, separate companies.

The government has encouraged local authorities to build and operate their own railways up to 2,000 km. By the end of 1999, there were approximately 75 local railways with a total route-length of 4,800 km. About 20 more such projects, totalling 1,800 km, are under construction. To attract foreign capital, Chinese rail enterprises are encouraged to issue stocks on overseas stock markets. In 2001, their ministry of railways (MoR) also approved foreign participation in rail freight transport.

In contrast, as with most things in this country- education system, justice system, government (IAS, IPS …), we have just taken what the British have given us and using them without Indianizing and modifying it to the changing needs and requirements. We have the Railway Board, under the Ministry of Railways – the same structure that the British setup more than 100 years ago!!

Employees Chinese Railways employs 3.18million people while the Indian Railways has employs 1.6millionemployees. This translates to a productivity of 1308 MT/ employee on the Chinese Railways, double that of the 652MT / employee on the Indian Railways.
中国铁路雇佣了318万人,印度铁路雇员数量是160万。翻译过来就是中国铁路生产率是1308吨/雇员,是印度铁路652吨/雇员的2倍。

The Chinese Railways has already linked itself to the Europe and runs regular container trains. This is an alternative to the sea-route to Europe. This is part of the Pan-Asia rail network plan.

The railway to Tibet makes Chinese logistics and supply lines so accessible in case of a conflict with India. While India is just now built a part of the railway line in Kashmir and is just now planning a railway to Sikkim. A railway to Arunachal Pradesh is nowhere close to planning.

So to summarize, here is a table.


                                      Indian Railways Chinese Railways

Route kms (1945/1947)     53396            27000


Route kms (current)          63327            78000


Freight Carried (Billion MT per year) 750    3300



Passengers carried (billions/year) 6.2 billion 1.4 billion



Investment per year (Rs Cr) 37500      150000



Number of                     8300            18300
Locos

Freight Wagons         225000             578000


Passenger Coaches  45000               44000



Employees                1.7                 3.18


Maximum Speed (kms/hr)

Freight Trains           100                120


Passenger Trains          160          300


Reminds you of the Hare and the Tortoise story! Except that here, the Hare is way ahead of the Tortoise. And the Hare is moving ever faster all the time while the Tortoise is falling behind!!

[ 本帖最后由 Rundstedt 于 2009-3-10 00:40 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-3-9 14:10:57 |
继续翻译啊~~~~~~~~~····
发表于 2009-3-9 14:27:28 |
楼主故意调我们胃口,正感兴趣,却没了
发表于 2009-3-9 14:36:35 |
自己看不就行了吗,又不是很难
发表于 2009-3-9 22:10:56 |
一位印度人对这篇报道的回应(部分)

Indian passenger trains such as the Rajdhanis & Shatabdiscompare reasonably well to most Chinese express trains, except theheadline grabbers such as CRH3 (Siemens Velaro). Currently, the CRH3sonly run between Beijing & Tianjin which is a very short distanceof 110 km.

印度的Rajdhanis和Shatabdis要比中国一般的特快列车高级,当然除了chr3(西门子)以外。到目前为止chr3只在北京和天津非常短的110km内运行。

In my opinion, these trains (along with the other white elephant,the Shanghai Maglev) are just propoganda tools by the Communist Partyto show off to the world that China is a truly modern country. Thefirst useful high speed trains (such as Beijing-Shanghai) are severalyears away.

在我看来,上海的磁悬浮和其他的白色火车只是gcd为了向世界展示中国是一个真正现代化国家的宣传工具,真正具有实用意义的北京到上海的高速火车要在几年后才能投入使用。

Indian railways even have a couple of advantages esp. in thecomputerised booking system. Last time I checked, in China one couldnot book tickets in a city for travel between two other cities. (fore.g. at Beijing, one can’t even book tickets for travel betweenShanghai & Guangzhou!)

印度的火车也有自己的优点,其中最特别的计算机化的订票系统,在中国是无法异地订票的,比如在北京不能预订从上海的广州的火车票。
http://streamlinesupplychain.wordpress.com/2008/12/14/chinese-railways-versus-indian-railways/

[ 本帖最后由 minfg66 于 2009-3-9 22:30 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-3-9 22:25:17 |
阿三还真的如传言中的自大啊。

说中国的京津高铁是为了政治宣传,让人哭笑不得。

另外,印度在算运量的时候应该把在城市内跑的通勤铁路也算上了,这样的话,中国其实应该加上地铁的运力。
发表于 2009-3-9 23:10:05 |
原帖由 iwasdead 于 2009-3-9 22:25 发表
阿三还真的如传言中的自大啊。

说中国的京津高铁是为了政治宣传,让人哭笑不得。

另外,印度在算运量的时候应该把在城市内跑的通勤铁路也算上了,这样的话,中国其实应该加上地铁的运力。

加上地铁能多上1000都不到...
发表于 2009-3-9 23:56:14 |
LS,加上地铁是 相对于市郊通勤,是 为了 比较 客运量,不是为了长度
 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-10 00:45:04 |
不过上海的磁悬浮确实是宣传品,每年的亏损是天文数字。但是当初买磁悬浮倒不是为了宣传,而是不让台湾获得德国潜艇。
 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-10 01:07:13 |
原帖由 minfg66 于 2009-3-9 22:10 发表
一位印度人对这篇报道的回应(部分)

Indian passenger trains such as the Rajdhanis & Shatabdiscompare reasonably well to most Chinese express trains, except theheadline grabbers such as CRH3 (Si ...

这两种列车确实是印度超级牛逼最最最最先进的特快。号称最高速度130km/h,150km/h。
Rajdhani Express
Shatabdi Express

不过根据里面的列车时刻表,平均速度也就80km/h的水平。
发表于 2009-3-10 03:21:16 |
印度铁路确实比中国差不少,不过客运量方面的指标还是很强的.客运周转量大概只比中国低不到10%.
中国各城市的地铁,北京/上海年客运量都超过10亿,各地加起来大约30亿.加上国铁14亿,总数还是比印度少.

中国铁路客运不强的主因,一是铁路货运占运能太多,二是公路竞争,导致铁路放弃了短途客运市场.去年公路共运输220亿人.实际上短途客对于空间的要求低,基本没有卧铺,对于站票超员的忍受力也强,其实占用运力也不大.等客专网修好,中国铁路客运人数可以很快上升到百亿水平.
发表于 2009-3-10 08:41:52 |
这个信息还是不错,印度人还比较客观.
发表于 2009-3-10 08:54:00 |
印度阿三想来自大,如果谦虚了就真的是奇闻了

不过一篇写农业的文章不错,他们认为我们的灌溉机井深度300多米是不可能的
发表于 2009-3-10 09:12:40 |
阿三是要航母不要高铁,要核弹不要鸡蛋,穷兵黩武的背后其实是民生疲敝,这样下去,其下场不会比前苏联好多少。:lol
发表于 2009-3-10 12:33:17 |
:L 中国的订票系统确实要改善啊
发表于 2009-3-10 15:51:28 |
中国铁路雇佣了318万人,印度铁路雇员数量是160万。==这个不准
发表于 2009-3-10 15:52:43 |
在中国是无法异地订票的,比如在北京不能预订从上海的广州的火车票。==貌似可以吧
发表于 2009-3-10 16:59:34 |
原帖由 hpcym 于 2009-3-10 15:52 发表
在中国是无法异地订票的,比如在北京不能预订从上海的广州的火车票。==貌似可以吧


和阿三还认真什么,都当看笑话了。
发表于 2009-3-10 18:54:00 |
总体比较客观。。
发表于 2009-3-10 20:18:22 |
阿三写的文章还真是没有多少是客观的,为什么?因为在他们脑子里一直认为中国比他们落后。一直认为GCD不可能成功发展经济,所以他们的所引用的数据基本上都是十几年前的或是西方别有用心的的数据。所要证明的是:印度比中国强,在世界上都数一数二。所以大家对阿三的文章看看就可以了,切莫当真。如果非要和我辩的话,请先去印度看看后再和我来辩。

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