武汉高铁建成通车后，美国网民的反应
美国很热门的政治讨论类论坛freerepublic上网民看到中国的武汉那条世界最快的铁路只用了４年就建成通车后，情绪激动，以下是美国人的回复和简要翻译：It is amazing how quickly things may be built when you don't have to worry about appeasing the environmentalist. It's as simple as that.
1 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:20:36 by OldDeckHand
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我很惊讶, 在没有环保主义疯子干扰下, 工程的进度可以如此之快
China is doing incredible things while we rot and decay ...
4 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:27:30 by Scythian
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中国正在创造伟大,而我们却在腐烂和衰败
I have to admit that I love the station architecture. Bright and open with the trains right out on center stage, not shoved into a dark basement like they are at Union Station here in Chicago. The Chinese measure their success by the things they build, and they are justly proud of their feats of engineering. Where we turn out ethnic studies graduates they turn out electrical engineers.
I worry most about adversaries that are builders. The fanatics burn out, you can outlast them like we did with the Russians. The thieves destroy themselves. But the builders grow stronger with every day that goes by.
5 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:27:54 by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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必须承认,我很喜欢他们明亮的火车站设计,比芝加哥那个灰色阴暗的火车站强多了.
中国人用伟大的工程来衡量他们的成就, 为自己的工程奇迹自豪,而我们现在成天浪费时间在种族关系学科上,他们则学习电子工程.
我最担心我们对手的实力就是他们的工程师,狂热的意识形态信徒很好对付,就如我们对付俄国人那样, 但工程师会每时每刻不断变强.
To: OldDeckHand
I also note that there were no UNION Thugs/Leeches getting their 25% cut on this deal and drawing this construction out to a typical 15-25 years.
For a comparison compare notes on the Boston Big Dig which was 350% over budget and still 20+ years overdue... but hey its a Democrat construction job in a overwhelmingly democrat state.
9 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:34:33 by prophetic (0Bama = 1 illegal president = 32 illegal, unconstitutional & unnecessary CZARS to do his job!!)
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他们根本没有工会的吸血鬼
看看我们的波士顿的工程,由于贪婪的工会吸血鬼,预算超支350%,还得延期20年以上, 这就是民主党的建筑效率,民主党的国家
Our engineers told the Chinese the Burma Road would cost millions and take 10+ years. They did it in a year for peanuts.
17 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:46:12 by moehoward
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我们的工程师告诉缅甸那路需要大量金钱和10多年才能建成, 结果中国人用了1年和很小的花费就建成了那路
China has been a society of builders from before the Communists, and will still be builders long after they are gone. The Grand Canal, Great Wall, in the same way that militant civilizations celebrate their generals builder civilizations celebrate their engineers. America was once a builder civilization. We celebrated the skyscrapers of New York and Chicago, the Hoover dam, and the Saturn V moon rocket. Today we celebrate Tiger Woods and Lady GaGa. Something happened in the 1960's we changed from builders to consumers. We lived for 50 years on the legacy built up by 184 years of frantic building. But that legacy is exhausted and we much now either rediscover our builder heritage, or become another Rome, that once built great things, and now survives by selling tours of the ruins.
19 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:48:38 by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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中国在土星共同体以前就是个建造者的文明,大运河,长城,就如好战者庆祝他们的将军一样庆祝自己的工程师.
我们美国以前也是建造者的文明,我们曾经为纽约和芝加哥的摩天大楼,胡佛大坝,土星5火箭无比自豪, 而现在我们却只关心体育和娱乐明星的花边新闻, 我们已经50年来躺在我们父辈180多年的艰辛劳动的遗产上睡大觉了,等老本吃光后,我们要么重拾祖先建造者的传统, 要么像罗马帝国那样,曾经建造了伟大,现在则靠祖先遗产的废墟吸引游客来度日.
California is still waiting for its LA to SF high speed rail line to be built. Which will take a lot longer than four years!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus
20 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:50:12 by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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加州还在等待落山及到旧金山的高速铁路计划的批注，这审批已经超过4年了，而中国人已经把铁路造完了
Yeah, we couldn’t finish environmental impact studies in four years.
If we tried to build a transcontinental, high speed rail line, the Chinese & Japanese would be using Star Trek style transporters before we ran the first train.
22 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:02:54 by sjmjax
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是啊，我们还没研究完其对环境的影响呢
我估计等我们的高速铁路建成通车时，中国人，日本人的星际旅行服务都开通了
And the 9/11 site IS STILL A HOLE IN THE GROUND
23 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:02:58 by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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中国高铁４年通车，而我们的９／１１遗址现在还是个大土坑。。。
Up here in the People’s Republic of Vermont we have been trying to get a ring road built around Chittenden County for more than 30 years. A road. One fricken road.
24 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:08:05 by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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我们佛蒙特州的一条环城公路已经耽误了３０年还没搞定呢，就一条破路
The phrase heard around the Big Dig project was “don’t kill the job”, which meant don’t get the job done right the first time. Or even the second.
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波士顿那延期２０年预算超标３５０％的工程，现在还在“没有减少就业机会”的阶段，也就是说，大概我们还得试２－３次才能知道成功与否（讽刺）
What a remarkable feat of engineering!!!
I wish we could build something like that. But unfortunately we lack the engineers/specialists due to an educational system that’s geared towards creating unproductive serfs.
28 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:15:14 by artaxerces
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多伟大的工程啊，真希望我们美国也能做这个，可惜我们现在没有工程师和技术专家了，我们的教育系统现在只出酒囊饭袋。
Faster and cheaper as well, since these trains run on electricity(which can be generated locally) rather than imported petroleum based jet fuel.
32 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:22:01 by artaxerces
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既比我们的快，也比我们的便宜，用电而不需要进口石油
That and not having to wait around for shipments of parts from China because you only ship them within your country which happens to be China where everything in the world is made anyways.
33 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:22:53 by GraceG
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劳动力便宜，而且全世界的东西现在都是中国生产的，因此运输也快，大概这就是为什么中国人能这么快搞定吧
">>Never under estimate the power of a cheap and well educated labor force...<<" If labor cost was the only factor, than India and Africa would be building such systems as well. China has the huge numbers of competent engineers and technicians necessary to pull this off.
35 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:26:03 by artaxerces
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中国有既便宜又高素质的劳动力，这是成功的关键，印度和非洲的劳动力只是便宜，只有中国有这能力完成超级工程。
As opposed to Ground Zero.
Eight years later, that's still a hole in the ground.
36 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:28:38 by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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跟我们的世贸中心遗址形成鲜明对比，８年过去了，现在还是个大土坑
"Totalitarian regimes are always efficient but ineffective."
I'm not sure I would agree with the "ineffective" part - nefarious to be sure, but not ineffective.
Unlike the Soviets Union, who didn't engage in the kind of super-Neo-Capitalism that China does, I don't believe that China will collapse under the weight of itself. China has somehow managed to maintain a firm grip on its citizens, while also using the unquestionable benefits of its manufacturing and trade policies with the west. We are, for the first time in history, supplying the capital requirements of our enemy through the mechanism of (somewhat) free markets. It's a very strange dynamic, and one that - so far - China has been very adept at exploiting.
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集权国家既有效率又没效率？
我不同意中国效率低
跟苏联不同，中国现在在经济上搞得是超级新资本主义，效率极高，我不指望中国会像苏联那样由于自己经济的缺陷而崩溃，中国现在通过跟西方的贸易，很牢固的掌握了国内的民心。
而我们，感谢自由市场经济，历史上第一次向我们的敌人输出资本，而中国人现在很会利用这点来削弱我们。
Some people talk and other people do. Can you figure out which we are now?
53 posted on 2009年12月28日 22:26:34 by dmanLA
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一些人做实事，一些人说大话，我们现在是那种？
A great society is not defined solely by the big buildings and monuments it builds. Most of the world’s greatest inventions of the past century that made our lives better, longer and easier were made in the USA.
55 posted on 2009年12月28日 22:31:45 by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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伟大的社会不光靠建筑成就来定义，人类上世纪大部分科技发明都是美国创造的
That is very true. We must also remember that during the 19th century, the U.S was the greatest perpetrator of technological theft/industrial espionage in the entire world. And considering that China is now in the top 3 in terms of annual technology patents when 20 years ago, it wasn’t in the top 50, this is alarming news.
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确实如此，不过别忘了，１９世纪时美国是全世界侵犯知识产权和抄袭模仿最多的国家，中国现在已经是世界上申请技术专利第三多的国家了，而２０年前，他们连前５０都不算，这是令人警醒的信号
美国论坛原帖地址：http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2416485/posts
本文来自龙空论坛(http://forum.dragonsky.com) 地址：http://forum.dragonsky.com/viewthread.php?tid=301236&extra=page%3D1&page=1 老美也折服了。先前还有人说老美放弃高铁，主攻重载货运，现在看来老美也打算玩高铁咯。 这是保守党的网站，大选的时候挺热闹的。
当然反对高铁的在那也不少，可以去看看贴
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2416485/posts
不过和海子高铁版这不一样的是，在那挺武广没人给扣铁托的帽子，反正他们也不会掏钱买武广的票。:lol 把发表文章的美国人特聘为海子会员。:lol 看了这帖子，您信吗？美国什么时候采用了有中国特色的社会主义，大家紧密团结在XX的周围，意见一致了？
去看看原贴吧！
原帖由 xuyisu521 于 2009-12-30 11:06 发表 http://bbs.hasea.com/images/common/back.gif
美国很热门的政治讨论类论坛freerepublic上网民看到中国的武汉那条世界最快的铁路只用了４年就建成通车后，情绪激动，以下是美国人的回复和简要翻译：
It is amazing how quickly things may be built when yo ... 民主 VS 社会 这些人刚看过2012 其實這翻譯者是選好聽的, 順耳的, 贊許的部份譯. 這心態是不好.
全世界都一樣, 一樣米百樣人, 不同的人對同一事物有多面看法, 有人在褒揚, 也有人在詆毀. 各人一般因受有限資訊灌輸, 而發表自己的說法.
我把同一主題的一些負面評論也貼出來, 兄弟們對米國人的負面評語不應介意, 若是屬實, 若有改進空間, 改之; 若他們無知亂說, 則可一笑笑之.
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To: OldDeckHand
Paying the workers 60 cents an hour is also a big help, in getting things built quickly and on budget.
6 posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 3:28:38 PM by WhatNot
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付60米分(3.6元)每小時給建築工人, 對快速建成和不超預算很有帮助.
To: GonzoGOP
I wonder how long those wonders they are building will stand. The big damn is already having problems. You know the one that displaced a few million people.
7 posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 3:31:08 PM by driftdiver
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我懷疑這奇觀工程能維持多久. 三峽大壩已有問題了, 你知道那工程遷移了百萬人.
To: OldDeckHand
Yup...finished in four years without needing to worry about any safety rules and running trains built with technology stolen from Japan,Europe and the US.
11 posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 3:36:29 PM by Gay State Conservative
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是... 四年完成因為不用理會安全規則, 和列車技術是從是歐洲, 日本, 米國偷來的
To: driftdiver
Yeah, wait until Three Gorges goes boom.
16 posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 3:43:00 PM by Dick Bachert
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是,等待三峽大壩崩潰就是了,
To: OldDeckHand
No Enviros.
No Unions.
No endless benefits.
No Workmen’s Comp Insurance.
No 111 different kinds of seismic engineers.
No holidays.
No minimum Federal wage tied to similar Union contracts.
No minimum age of workers.
No Maximum age of workers.
We all can come up with more.
39 posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 4:42:04 PM by ridesthemiles
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沒有環保
沒有工會
沒有無限福利
沒有工人賠償保險
沒有假期
沒有最低工薪
沒有最小勞工年限
沒有最大勞工年限
你可以列出更多
To: ejonesie22
Never under estimate the power of a cheap labor force...’
Don’t forget the Great Wall of China—more than 600 miles long...
43 posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 4:48:47 PM by ridesthemiles
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不要低估廉價勞工的作用.
To: OldDeckHand
Or about opposition and mere diversity of opinion. The Soviet Russia has also completed its projects quickly. Whether they were indeed in the interest of "the people" has never been discussed or questioned.
Totalitarian regimes are always efficient but ineffective.
47 posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 4:55:15 PM by TopQuark
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全權政府通常是高效率但無效.
To: Scythian
90% of the Chinese still have in abject poverty, 99.99% have zero freedom, do not be fool by the communist system propaganda. Any country that has no freedom is going nowhere. China is going nowhere.
69 posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 10:08:57 PM by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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百分之九十的中國人貧窮, 百分之九十九點九的中國人零自由, 不要被共產黨的宣傳蒙蔽, 沒有自由的國家不進步, 中國不會發展的.
[ 本帖最后由 jackk 于 2009-12-30 13:23 编辑 ] 增长见识了，谢谢转载 第 69 貼貼者 jveritas
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百分之九十的中國人貧窮, 百分之九十九點九的中國人零自由, 不要被共產黨的宣傳蒙蔽, 沒有自由的國家不進步, 中國不會發展的.
從名號看, jveritas, 很可能是個印度人. 强烈希望英语好的同志把外国的文章给翻译过来，我们也看看外国的品论，， 都是說好話的大概沒人反對哦
LZ怎麽和中國的媒體一樣 只喜歡播好聽的好看的? 呵呵，看看而已，没必要当真，很多时候外人评价都很偏颇，正向反向的都有 楼主很坏啊。
谬误常常是无心的。窜改或隐瞒事实却是故意的，因此比谬误还要坏得多。 保守派本来就反劳工，所以美国资本家羡慕中国，其一；
外人只看到光鲜，所以形象工程最符合外国人胃口，其二；
票价问题他们不关心，造价问题，费用回收问题也不关心，跟报销党时一样的，其三。
巴菲特要搞货运高铁，这是肯定的，从旧金山截弯取直，200级（货专最高等级），客专是非商业工程。 原帖由 <i>jackk</i> 于 2009-12-30 13:20 发表 <a href="http://bbs.hasea.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=6569213&ptid=428880" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.hasea.com/images/common/back.gif" border="0" onload="if(this.width>screen.width*0.7) {this.resized=true; this.width=screen.width*0.7; this.alt='Click here to open new window\nCTRL+Mouse wheel to zoom in/out';}" onmouseover="if(this.width>screen.width*0.7) {this.resized=true; this.width=screen.width*0.7; this.style.cursor='hand'; this.alt='Click here to open new window\nCTRL+Mouse wheel to zoom in/out';}" onclick="if(!this.resized) {return true;} else {window.open(this.src);}" onmousewheel="return imgzoom(this);" alt="" /></a><br />
第 69 貼 貼者 jveritas<br />
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百分之九十的中國人貧窮, 百分之九十九點九的中國人零自由, 不要被共產黨的宣傳蒙蔽, 沒有自由的國家不進步, 中國不會發展的.<br />
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從名號看, jveritas, 很可能是個印度人. <br />
您是哪里人？ 再次建议海子把这个美国人加为海子会员。:lol 一笑了之。不做他之言 任何国家都有愤青 OldDeckHand这个发贴者也是个中国人，也是其中最活跃者。
最后还有两张广州高铁站的效果图，呵呵，有点意思。
其实我们现在各个国家之间的交流的都不是很充分，充满了误会和奇怪的言语，甚至有些都很好笑。
这点也很正常，所在的环境和教育的不同造就了差别的现实存在。
国民性，很有意思的话题。。。
（其实不应该对楼主“有选择"的翻译有意见，我们有从自己角度看问题的权利，我们是个铁路论坛，其他的就不需要太多了:lol ）
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